Home Invasion

October 28, 2006 at 7:24 pm (Uncategorized)

Just the sound of “home invasion” sends a shudder up my spine.  Earlier this year, a punk in my neighborhood tried breaking into my home, while I was there.  The only reason why he didn’t make it in was because on the other side of the door he heard one ferocious-sounding dog barking and another dog barking (playfully as he chased his tail-but he didn’t know that) at the door.  Lucky for me, he was afraid of dogs.  But it made me think, what if the next robber wasn’t?  What would I do?  He never made it into my house, but what would I have done if he had?  My home, my safe place for the last 10 years,  had changed, it was now vunerable.  Locked doors and windows can only protect you a little.  If someone wants to get in bad enough, they’re coming in.  What do you do?  Do I pick up the phone, a golf club or a gun?  Sounds like the guy in this article had the right idea.  Anyone in here ever been the victim of a home invasion?  How did you feel afterwards?  And if not, what would you do if it happened to you?

MACCLENNY, FL — Police say a suspect was shot early Thursday morning by a man who was protecting his home and his pregnant wife.

Police are calling it a home invasion robbery.

A 17-year-old boy is in police custody, while his brother is in the hospital in critical condition.

Friends locked up the gate Thursday afternoon to the Macclenny home that will never feel the same for Jody Paul Thrift and his pregnant wife Sabrina.

Baker County Sheriff Joey Dobson says early Thursday morning, Jody Paul got up to get some water, and noticed his lights were out. But the power was still on at the house next door.

“So he knew that something was up,” Sheriff Dobson said.

Dobson says Richard Munoz and his 17-year-old brother had cut the power and phone lines to the house.

Dobson says the pair then took a boat anchor from a shed and hurled it through a glass door.

“So [the victim] went to his bedroom, retrieved his firearm, [and] waited in his bedroom,” Dobson said.

“And as [the suspect] opened the door, [Thrift] saw a flashlight, a little, small flashlight, and he began to fire. And he shot at the suspect, and the suspect fell right in his bedroom door,” Dobson said.

As three Baker County deputies sped to the scene, they say they came across the younger suspect, scrambling through the woods toward the getaway car.

Deputies put him under arrest.

Sheriff Dobson says the older suspect, Richard Munoz, was carrying a cocked and loaded pistol with him the whole time.

In fact, when deputies found Munoz on the floor of the house, they say he was still trying to reach for his gun.

There’s no word yet on why the Thrift family may have been a target.

Police are investigating whether the suspect ever fired his gun inside the home. He is in critical condition at Shands Jacksonville.

  

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98 Comments

  1. Mainetarr said,

    yeah, I am the honorary guest blogger for Sunday, but because I am usually in bed before midnight, I posted a little early. Enjoy, I am anxious to hear what you all have to say about home invasions.

    Bobbie, where are you???

  2. jarheaddoc said,

    The sad part of this is that the guy who did the shooting will get in trouble for firing before his life was actually in danger. Some slick lawyer will be able to win a civil law suit against him because it was just a house, a place with four walls and no soul, that was being ‘violated’, no one was in danger, the person carrying the gun hadn’t fired yet, the gun was jsut for his protection, and the homeowner had no right whatsoever to do what he did.

    I hope that lawyer chokes to death

  3. Bobbie said,

    I’m here! Here’s my attempted break-in story. Sorry to bore the people that have already read/heard about this:

    A few weeks ago, we had someone remove a pane of glass from one of our windows to gain entry into our house. When the person stuck their head in the window, they were greeted with a large end table-and Trouble and Ed, our dogs. The dogs started barking and the guy decided he didn’t want to be there anymore, especially when Ed went thru the window after him.

    We can’t prove it, but we have a good idea that it was the next door neighbor who tried to get in. One day, the dogs aren’t phased by him and the next, they want to rip his throat out, so you tell me. I was pissed at the thought that someone wanted my stuff more than I did and was willing to steal it. I felt violated over the attempted break in, but as long as I have the dogs with me, I know that I’m going to be safe. Should anyone make it past the dogs, they’re going to wish that they hadn’t-if the rifle doesn’t get them, a very angry woman will.

  4. Bobbie said,

    JD,
    Most states now, like Colorado, have “Make My Day” laws where the home owner can shoot an intruder because the home owner fears for their safety. The only condition is that the person has to actually be in the home owner’s house when shot and the home owner won’t get in trouble.

    There was a story awhile ago where a lady shot a peeping tom on the fire escape outside her window. The cops weren’t going to charge the lady because she claimed that the person was inside her apartment, but when they looked at the guy’s freshly shined shoes, they realized that the lady had shot the guy and then dragged him inside her apartment. To add insult to injury, the guy she shot wasn’t even the peeping tom. The joke around these parts is that if you shoot someone on your front porch, drag the body into the doorway and make sure that there are no scuff marks to give you away.

  5. jarheaddoc said,

    And it’s about goddam time, too! I think it’s bullshit that someone can break into your home, rape and pillage and steal, and get away with it. Better to be judged by twelve than carried by six!

  6. Bobbie said,

    At 2 AM, when the city is quiet, even the sound of someone chambering a .25 caliber hand gun will make someone stop what they are not suppose to be doing. Given the choice between continuing what they were doing and being able to walk away unharmed if they stopped, the criminal will usually opt to walk away and not come back. Atleast that’s what I’ve found when I made the offer to the person trying to steal the battery from my car for a second time.

  7. Linda said,

    I can see that. I’m no criminal, but I’d stop doing almost anything given that choice.

  8. brenda said,

    A long time ago when I lived on the westcoast I had a little house, and a very big ridgeback/dobie/(?) mix dog and one day I came home, and the house had been broken into, the new tv stolen, she was under the house. I couldn’t get her out- had to crawl under & drag her, she was drowsy because she’d been given drugged meat.
    Here in Lewiston I don’t have a dog yet. But all my furniture & tvs are secondhand and and I’m not worried about THINGS like that. Anyway nobody’s coming in here without my neighbors eyes upon them, checking what’s going on. I’ve been real lucky about living in buildings with real good neighbors even if the surrounding buildings have lots of drama & noise. But I still haven’t been able to leave my kid with very many people.
    sex offenders are everywhere. And there’s the unknown factor, those who haven’t been caught so they are not on the lists, or who haven’t yet done it but will…..

    and there’s lots of other reasons to feel insecure. Like when my sign-in seal on my computer, and my usual things that I see when I turn it on, disappeared for several days, and suddenly today they came back. Should I be worried?

    Well, I was thinking, if some criminal fraud-minded person manages to steal my personal information, and somehow enrich themself upon my identity- that is so ironic! because I’m not able to!

  9. Trickey Dickey said,

    Apparantly Colorado is quickly replacing California as the looney capitol of America. Use to be Cali has the looney fringe voting stupid laws and infecting the rest of the country with them. Must be skiing season.

  10. K2 said,

    As the old saying goes, ‘Locks are for honest people.’

    Somebody breaks in my house, I shoot ’em. It’s that’s simple.

    MT, maybe they were trying to steal your Italian cuisine?

  11. Mainetarr said,

    Maybe, but geesh, all anyone has to do it ask and I will cook for them. I think the punk was looking for blinker fluid and alcohol.

  12. Herb said,

    if someone broke into my house i’d put em in a dorothy dress and screw em~~

  13. K2 said,

    We’re not in Thailand anymore, Dorothy.

  14. Mainetarr said,

    Ha ha K2. I almost said that. You fast…How was Fastbreaks Halloween party, you big Vikings Fan, you?

  15. K2 said,

    It was fun, although I bailed on the Fan costume, which really was a lame-ass idea. I eneded up going to Drapeau’s and renting a Victorian outfit for that Rock-Me-Amadeus look.

    I ended up bringing my keyboard and played Fur Elise, a la Belushi in the SNL skit, during the band’s set break. Followed it with Linus & Lucy, though, since I don’t know any rockin’ Ray Charles. Yet.

    Unfortunately, the owner, Jim Richards, who was the honory M.C. of the heart walk a few weeks ago, is back in the hospital indefinitely, so he missed the party. His heart is just so bad, it’s really starting to take it’s toll. Hopefully he’ll land a transplant before it’s too late. But he’s been waiting for years already. (Why aren’t more people organ donors? As the old saying goes, ‘Don’t take you organs to Heaven, because Heaven knows they’re needed here.’)

  16. Mainetarr said,

    I have been an organ donor for years. I can’t imagine not doing it. Not like it’s going to hurt or anything. Geesh.

  17. brenda said,

    oh yeah?
    My granddaughter’s father ( My daughter’s baby-daddy?) a young 19 year old
    had been stomped into a coma in a park one night when he got drunk & said the wrong words or something… anyway he was in a coma for 19 days when they asked his aunt to sign his heart over to some old guy who needed it, and she said to wait until the family meets the next day & they discuss it together. On the 20th day he woke up from his coma. Later he went to community college, got married & had a couple more kids.

    I’m not in a hurry to share my organs. Or to be declared dead while my heart still beats.

  18. brenda said,

    I guess it depends how much you trust the medical system. I don’t want a transplanted heart, myself. If my heart failed, I wouldn’t try to have someone else’s, I’d just hope to slip away in my sleep.
    Really, I’ve lived and experienced much in life and am grateful for it, and my only reason for wanting to not risk my life right now is that I have a kid who needs me & I don’t know what would happen to him if I were to have something happen to me. But if I were in the hospital gravely ill, that problem would be the same and if I were so sick I needed a transplant, someone else would already be taking care of my son so I would have no reason not to slip off into the beyond.

    oh k2, maybe I shouldn’t say that. You want your friend to live and to get the transplant so he can live a few more months or even years. I’m sorry.

  19. jarheaddoc said,

    The criteria for giving an organ is as stringent as getting one. My sister in law donated several organs when she died and helped three or so people. They were able to use them even though she had spent time in Germany during the time of mad cow disease. It helped to make sense of a sudden death for someone who was only fifty years old.

    And thank Christ they don’t do tongue transplants: she had a sharp one and I was way too easy a target for her.

    But I do mourn the fact that she was really a good person and my kids will not grow up with a crazy aunt to tach them the things that drive me crazy.

  20. K2 said,

    Testify, jd, testify. *finger snapping*

  21. Bobbie said,

    I have been an organ donor ever since I started driving. I know someone who has had a liver transplant for 20 years now.

    K2, the show How it’s Made is showing how they make golf balls. It’s interesting.

  22. Linda said,

    I know I spend too much time on the computer, and I may be starting to take my reality from it a bit too much (thank Christ I don’t mean just from this blog …) So here is my question. Is the time wrong on WordPress, or have I managed to screw up all my clocks yet again?

    There’s something that disturbs me a lot about daylight savings and I’ve been known to just … get it wrong.

  23. jarheaddoc said,

    Did you know this, K2?: It’s now state law that the next of kin is asked for any tissue donations at the time of a person’s death? I am not against organ/tissue donation in any way, shape, or form, but this smacks of taking advantage of vulnerable people. Just trying to show another side of the argument….

  24. Mainetarr said,

    You’re right on Linda, it’s wordpress. I have no idea how to fix it either, so we will have to wait until Markie Mark gets back.

  25. Linda said,

    It’s funny that we are forced to do some things in the name of the public good, but not others that could be seen as equally compelling. For instance we have to wear seatbelts, immunize our kids (or jump through hoops for the right not to), and be asked to donate our loved ones’ body parts, but we don’t have to wear helmets. Some other things that COULD be required for the public good but aren’t as far as I know: testing of private wells, mandatory smoke detectors and extinguishers, seat belts on school buses. I guess that’s democracy for you, any legislation can be passed with enough money, public demand, or lobbying.

    My point is not that any of these things should or shouldn’t be required, just the arbitrariness of laws.

  26. brenda said,

    On one show about it they said seat belts on busses would cost $8 each to install. So our kids’ lives are not worth $8? When you add all the kids & busses in the whole country up it’s overwhelming but if we each paid $8 it’s not. We could probably come up with the money for it with a bake sale.

  27. jarheaddoc said,

    We could probably come up with the money for it with a bake sale.

  28. jarheaddoc said,

    Sorry,hit the wrong button there. That’s exatly the wrong type of attitude, Brenda. I should not have to make a bunch of fucking brownies to get things for my kids at school. Holy shit, whatever happened to the days when they supplied paper for you?

    Everyone is always screaming that we’re hurting our kids but if you look at school budgets, you’ll see that a lot of money is wasted on stupid shit. And I don’t mean teacher salaries, either: you can’t pay me enough to stand up in front of other people’s kids and perform every goddam day for fifty fucking years so I can retire.

    Fuck the bake sale, Brenda. How far would the money for a goddam bomber go? HUH?

  29. K2 said,

    jd, that’s not another side of the argument. It’s common sense. What’s wrong with just asking?

    To me, the other side of the argument is: “No, I want my loved one to take all of his organs to the grave because, well, I have no good reason, just because.”

  30. K2 said,

    Bobbie, tough, tough loss yesterday. What a game, though.

    And the Steelers lose to the lowly Raiders. Ha!

  31. K2 said,

    Linda, are you going to get me going on vaccines? Look at the numbers. The risks from not being vaccinated are far, far greater than being vaccinated. Again, if people made more of an effort to actually understand science instead of believing in hearsay and myth, they wouldn’t be carping on vaccines, which have cleary impacted humanity in a tremendously positive way.

    Or maybe we were better off with polio et al.?

  32. jarheaddoc said,

    No, it’s just a different perspective,Kris, nothing more. I have a hard time with asking someone for the organs and tissue of their loved ones after I have put a lot of heart and soul into keeping that person alive. I realize the validity of it and I do indeed see your point, but it’s hard enough to say ‘I’m sorry, I did everything I could, but your loved one is still dead, now can I have his or her eyes?’

    It shouldn’t have to be a state law to ask. I just see it as another way the fucking government is getting involved in things that might be better left alone. And before we get into a huge argument, I’m not saying it’s wrong, nor are you, it just kinda sorta rubs me the wrong way.

  33. jarheaddoc said,

    I don’t know if there are exceptions made for differenct cultures as far as asking for donations, K2. There are some cultures that beleive one does not get into Heaven if one does not take everything with him or her that the supreme being gave said person. I can understand that, but the hole in the argument is baby teeth: all them fuckers falll out, don’t they? It sounds like a classic slippery slope example, if you ask me.

  34. Linda said,

    K2, I’m with you 100% on the immunization thing.

    Listen guys, I am checking out for a week — I don’t mind if you play rough but don’t inflict any fatal wounds on each other, right? When I come back I’ll expect to find lots of ranting, expostulating, a bit of thrusting and parrying (minds out of the gutter folks), some jokes and puns (K2 are you paying attention?) and maybe a bit of urban poetry. Don’t let me down, OK?

  35. jarheaddoc said,

    Whoa, tall order, woman. I will tell you the same thing I tell others when I am tasked with something like that: don’t get your hopes too high, as I am bound to disappoint you at some point in the future.

    Have a good trip, be safe in whatever you’re doing, and remember, wash up when you’re through

  36. K2 said,

    No full-blown argument here, jd, and, since I assume you’re an EMT or something, I can see your point to a degree. (And I can only imagine the scenes you see and deal with. Oof.) Still, that’s one bit of government involvement that does far more good than harm, unlike many of our other stupid-ass laws — take the marijuan statutes, for instance. . . .

    Linda, fuck you, god damn it, that’s bull shit, piss off . . . oh, sorry. Have a good week. We shall not disappoint.

    Unless my Vikings lose tonight, then I go on a multi-state killing spree, and all bets are off.

    Anyone else getting tired of the pain-in-the-ass wind? No, not the ‘idiot wind’ from my mouth (a great Bob Dylan tune), the wind outside. . . .

  37. brenda said,

    I used to believe in the medical system & had faith in doctors enough to think organ donation was a good idea & probably had the donor sticker, but that was before I started to see that health care is a business and those with money get more than those without money & adequate insurance coverage. So I don’t want that to be a factor in the decision about who lives & who doesn’t.

    And then I still might have been willing, but right now I don’t think I should be the one because I don’t really know what long term damage or effects might still be in my body from the drugs I have done in the past decades, although I haven’t done any in the past 20 years. It just doesn’t sem fair to the person getting the body tissue to take that chance, when that person is hoping for donated tissues to save them.

    Just 4 months of snorting speed back in 1985, and now I have rotting front teeth, because it killed my front teeth’s roots. I don’t know if there’s long term damage in my sinuses also, but I constantly have sinus problems and headaches. People do drugs & think it’s ok, got through the day / night, not realising that 10, 15, 20+ years later they may be paying the consequences.

  38. brenda said,

    oh, k2, this wind isn’t the worst – where I lived in CA, near where the fires have been that you’ve seen on the news- the Santa Ana winds were always like that, normal part of life. I lived near the place where the wind comes through the pass in the mountains, before going through Yucaipa & towards Palm Springs mtns. CSUSB was built where the earthquake faults all come together & it’s a wind tunnel. Yet people who live there think 50 degrees is freezing and that they’d die in our snow.
    I think my son will be a stronger person by growing up in Maine & experienceing seasons & weather variety, and learning how people here work together when problems happen.

  39. joker said,

    Relatives gathered in the hospital waiting room, where their family member lay gravely ill. Finally, the doctor came in looking tired and somber.
    “I’m afraid I’m the bearer of bad news,” he said as he surveyed the worried faces.

    “The only hope left for your loved one at this time is a brain transplant. It’s an experimental procedure, very risky but it is the only hope. Insurance will cover the procedure, but you will have to pay for the brain yourselves.”

    The family members sat silent as they absorbed the news. After a great length of time, someone asked, “Well, how much does a brain cost?”

    The doctor quickly responded, “$5,000 for a male brain, and $200 for a female brain.”

    The moment turned awkward. Men in the room tried not to smile, avoiding eye contact with the women, but some actually smirked. A man unable to control his curiosity, blurted out the question everyone wanted to ask, “Why is the male brain so much more?”

    The doctor smiled at the childish innocence and explained to the entire group, “It’s just standard pricing procedure. We have to mark down the price of the female brains, because they’ve actually been used.”

  40. Bobbie said,

    K2, Yup tough loss for the Broncos yesterday. Their defense lost it for them yesterday, pure plain and simple. Can you imagine what type of team they’d be if they got their act together at the same time? Pittsburgh losing to the Raiders is something that just isn’t suppose to happen in real life (I’m joking because I don’t like either team). Tonight’s game will be interesting and one that I will definitely want to watch to see how bad the Patriot’s can beat up on the Vikings.

    As for being an organ donor, I’ll still be one because I know that it helps someone else who might not have a chance to live otherwise. I know it sucks to have to ask a grieving family for their loved ones organs and the response probably isn’t very favorable from the family most times. I’m sure that some of them feel ambushed by it.

    K2, you should be out here when the Chinook winds start blowing. It will get warm in a hurry and you need to carry around a brick or two to keep yourself on the ground.

    Have a safe trip, Linda. Promise to do my part and live down to your expectations!.

  41. jokester said,

    An artist asked the gallery owner if there had been any interest in his paintings on display at that time.

    “I have good news and bad news,” the owner replied. “The good news is that a gentleman enquired about your work and wondered if it would appreciate in value after your death. When I told him it would, he bought all 25 of your paintings.”

    “That’s wonderful!” the artist exclaimed. “What’s the bad news?”
    “The guy was your Doctor.”

  42. last one said,

    Two patients limp into two different medical clinics with the same complaint. Both have trouble walking and appear to require a hip replacement.

    The first patient is examined within the hour, is x-rayed the same day and has a time booked for surgery the following week.

    The second sees the family doctor after waiting a week for an appointment, then waits eighteen weeks to see a specialist, then gets an x-ray, which isn’t reviewed for another month and finally has his surgery scheduled for a year from then.

    Why the different treatment for the two patients?

    The first is a Golden Retriever… the second is a Senior Citizen

  43. just wondering said,

    I thought those 2 patients might be jarheaddoc and K2 until I got to the last line.

  44. K2 said,

    Bobbie, I think the Colts defense is suspect if Jake Plummer can rack up that many points on ’em.

    As for MNF, I can’t freakin’ wait for the game!

  45. Mainetarr said,

    Well, now that we have turned to medical stuff, time for me to pipe back in. I think the observation that rich people get better healthcare is a total crock of shit, and I can back that up in a million different examples. Here’s one…a patient, John Doe, has terrible headaches. He has Anthem for insurance. He has a basic plan, with a $3000 deductible. It is January and he hasn’t met any of his out of pocket expenses yet. He works full time, is married and has three children. Wife works, kids are in school. He pays his bills on time, yet doesn’t have $3000 in the bank at his disposal. Anyhow John goes to his primary care physician, who examines him and sends him for an MRI. His particular plan needs precertification for imaging studies and they deny him the MRI and ask for 6 months of conservative treatment. The PCP tells him he can have the MRI of the brain, but it will cost him $2300 up front. He can’t afford it, so he goes on headache medicine to see if it helps. The scripts cost $40 with his insurance deduction. He goes on this way for only four months, but the headaches persist and he manages to scrape up the money for the MRI because he knows something is wrong. He has the MRI and the diagnosis is a glioblastoma-brain tumor. Now he needs surgery. His PCP calls neurosurgery and they get him an appointment and he pays $200 out of his own pocket (remember-he’s rich) and sees the doctor. They schedule surgery and he has to come up with the other $3000 to cover expenses. We are now 5 months down the road.

    Jane Doe (poor person) has a headache and goes to see her PCP. She has Mainecare. PCP orders and MRI and she goes for the MRI the following day. Mainecare does not require any precertification so she gets the next available appointment. She has the MRI, same thing, brain tumor. The PCP calls her and sets up an appointment to see the neurosurgeon. She gets in the following week and is scheduled for surgery. No out of pocket money for her, start to finish-two weeks.

    Now, tell me again who gets treated better? Yeah, that’s what I thought.

  46. NOOOOO! said,

    A man and his wife were sitting in the living room. He said to her, “Just so you know… I never want to live in a vegetative state, dependent on some machine and fluids from a bottle. If that ever happens, just pull the plug…”

    His wife got up, unplugged the TV and threw out all of his beer…

  47. brenda said,

    mainetarr, your story just validates my point, that it matters who you are & how you pay or get it paid for…..

  48. brenda said,

    and it doesn’t make me feel any better about going into surgery knowing some of the people working in the hospital have that kind of attitude. Money or lack of it should NOT be a factor in health care.

  49. Mainetarr said,

    Well, Brenda, hospitals are not charity organizations and they have a budget to consider. Electricity, medical supplies, drugs, staff….so on, are not free. They will, however, work with you to make minimal payments, I know of people who pay $5 per month who owe hundreds of thousands of dollars. You specifically stated “but that was before I started to see that health care is a business and those with money get more than those without money & adequate insurance coverage.” You are wrong. Those with state coverage get treated faster, in some cases, than those with private insurance. But let me make it clear, I would take the system we have now over socialized medicine anyday, hands down. We see too many patients who come to the states from Canada because they cannot get in to see physicians for sometimes up to two years. Sorry, but a brain tumor will not wait two years until you can be seen. Cancer doesn’t wait. Bleeding doesn’t wait. And the quality of care there is terrible. I wouldn’t send my dog to be treated in Canada.

  50. revenge said,

    A motorcycle patrolman was rushed to the hospital with an inflamed appendix. The doctors operated and advised him that all was well. However, the patrolman kept feeling something pulling at the hairs in his crotch.

    Worried that it might be a second surgery the doctors hadn’t told him about, he finally got enough energy to pull his hospital gown up enough so he could look at what was making him so uncomfortable.

    Taped firmly across his pubic hair were three wide strips of adhesive tape, the kind that doesn’t come off easily. Written in large black letters was the sentence: “Get well quick… from the nurse you gave a ticket to last week.”

  51. brenda said,

    “hospitals are not charity organizations”
    then how come they are the largest “non-profits” in the area & don’t pay taxes?

  52. brenda said,

    You specifically stated “but that was before I started to see that health care is a business and those with money get more than those without money & adequate insurance coverage.” You are wrong. Those with state coverage get treated faster, in some cases, than those with private insurance.

    ok, when I said adequate insurance, i was considering federal/ state to be included in that category, if I were being really precise instead of throwing out statements into a blog maybe I’d make finer distinctions about it.

    The moment I was actually reffering to when I said : “before I started to see” was a specific incident one afternoon when I had medi-cal for my first son a decade ago and took him to the urgent care center for a fever. He was checked right there in the waiting room to see how hi his fever was, while a man sat with a wrapped hand, holding it up waiting for them to talk on the phone to his worksite to see if it was going to be paid for and I thought that was outrageous. Now I do think kids should get the care they need, regardless of parents ability to pay but I also think someone who got hurt at work shouldn’t ever have to wait for someone to ok the payment before he gets his bleeding hand seen.

    We do agree that money should not be the fator, the difference is I think you’d take it away from poor rather than giving it to everyone.

    then, another eyeopener is, watching tv news “healthwatch” etc- it seems that unnecessary surgery is big business, news is actually advertising, and that does not make me feel any better about the health care system in our society. If you want to change anything about your body, if you can come up with a way to pay (whether you use your own money or have access to another way to pay) you can get some surgery or other…. yet we are not putting emphasis on healthy living (beyond talk) and preventing illnesses.

  53. brenda said,

    this blog started with the topic of vulnerability & self- protection of our homes & family, and has gone to the most vulnerable situation a person can be, in the hospital.
    When I go to my surgery appt next week at St Mary’s hospital how many people who are supposed to be caring about me will be aware of how my surgery is being paid for? And I agree that we all have a right to our opinions & political leanings, but when I’m in the hospital getting sedated & cut open, it doesn’t make me feel safer to think about these things. And attitude is very important in the healing process.

  54. jarheaddoc said,

    Ya know, Brenda, health care is a business, and it’s expensive for a couple of big reasons: research costs money and so does new technology.

    Drug companies have a vested interest in getting back the money they have in developing a new pill, and that money comes from investors who might not see a dime unless the government okays the pill. It’s a big gamble, but they are in business to make money.

    You know that fancy machine that does everything but predict your future? Guess what, someone had to come up with it and market it and everything that goes with it.

    Medicine is not different as far as wcpenses go, MT is exactly right about that. Just the billing departments in some practices have more people than the practice does providres. Jesus Christ, have you seen how many insurance plans are out there and what it takes to accept them for payment? It’s fucking crazy.

    And as for that guy with the bleeding hand, I can bet you dollars to donuts that had he been spurting blood out of an artery, he would have been tended to most fucking ricky tick. It’s called traige, French for sorting: those hurt the worst or the sickest get treated first. Having said that, his employer was contacted for permission to treat him in case the guy was actually trying to commit an act of fraud.

    Modern health care providers have a bitch of a time, Brenda: a brain surgeon has four years of pre-med, four years of med school, and then something like six or seven years of residency, so that puts said doctor at something like 33 years old before he/she can call his life his own. And that person is statistically up to his eyes in debt.

    Elective plastic surgery is just something else that people with disposable income will choose to have. Let’s see, boob job or new car? Hmm, hard choice, but what the fuck, I have the money.

    And there are a great many providers out there who are practicing very good medicine and actually do give a shit about things. You ever hear of Dr. Walters, the pediatrician? Jesus christ, he treated me as a kid, but you know why his practice folded? Because he wasn’t getting paid for his work and he was going to go bankrupt because he was using his own money to keep things afloat. You think he wanted to do that? I think it broke his heart.

    There are a lot of doctors out there who practice medicine with their heads, their hearts, and their hands and just wish all the bullshit would go away so they can provide good service to their customers. that’s right, a patient is a customer, using the services of the physician, and you’d like to get paid for work provided, wouldn’t you?

    And the people with the state aid cards are some of the worst abusers of the system, Brenda, to very broadly paint a group of people. You have to do it because I have Medicaid. Get a fucking job, multiple personality disorder doesn’t exist.

  55. on that subject said,

    I think Universal Single Payer is one approach maine can take to cover
    everyone and make health care much more efficient and affordable for
    everyone regardless of income. For a lot of complicated reasons related
    to economic class, poor people get disproportionately lower quality health
    care than people in the middle and upper class. That’s statistically backed.
    It is also a widespread fact that people of color are disenfranchised by
    the health care system in this country disproportionately. So Universal
    Single Payer seems like it would be a step in the right direction.

  56. brenda said,

    Dr. jarheaddoc??? – “multiple personality disorder” ??? where did you get your doctor’s degree/ license to psych-evaluate people on a blog? I’m pretty sure if you had a license to diagnose anybody, you would be breaking some sort of ethics standard by doing it on a blog. I didn’t consent nor did I agree to pay for your professional opinion about my mental status.
    You certainly don’t know me enough to say anything about my psychological status and therefore I take it as bullying name-calling.

  57. Treehugger said,

    Hey Tarr, how about the woman that went a month w/o treatment because the radiology department went on a job action. Thank goodness she had a guardian angel looking out for her.
    Then of course there was the high school kid with the tumor who went untreated in the same month for the same reason.

  58. jarheaddoc said,

    That is probably the most coherent thing you have written in quite some time, not to mention blessedly succinct.

  59. Mainetarr said,

    Brenda, I am not trying to pick on you, but on this topic, you really have no idea what you are talking about. When you go for your surgery at St. Mary’s next week, no one is going to give a shit what kind of insurance you have, everyone gets treated exactly the same. Everyone will know what you have because it is on your paperwork, but believe, the surgeons, nurses, cna’s, right down to housekeeping couldn’t give a rat’s ass. But the billing department DOES care about what kind of insurance you have, because like any business, they expect to get paid. They don’t just pull money out of their ass to cover their operating expenses. It really steams me that those people who get free healthcare are the first ones to bitch about the heathcare system. Tell me, have you received shoddy healthcare or had to wait to get any treatment here in Maine? Why don’t you come talk to the nurse here who had her father die in a Canadian hospital because he cut himself with a chainsaw and bled out while waiting on a stretcher in the hallway for six hours before being seen? Yeah, Universal Healthcare is really great. Or her mother who was diagnosed with stage one breast cancer but had to wait 18, yes 18 months to be seen by an oncologist in Canada, only to be told she was at stage 4 and had 6 months to live? She died in 4 months. Oh yes, Universal healthcare is such a much better system. That’s why we see patients from Canada here in the state because they can’t get seen for two years in Canada.
    I am not sure where you saw this man with a bleeding hand, but I can bet it wasn’t in the ER of CMMC or St. Mary’s. I worked there long enough and to even THINK that the hospital triages patients according to health plans is the biggest crock of crap I have ever heard. I was a precertification specialist for a local hospital, and the HOSPITAL was paying me to make sure the PATIENT was being taken care of by their insurance company, that the rules administered by the insurance company would be followed to a tee and the hospital would be paid for their services and that the PATIENT would not get stuck with any unnecessary charges. But, of course, you don’t have to worry about that, as you have Mainecare, and anything goes with that. Hell, they’ll approve breast reduction, gastric bypass, penile implants, etc….you name it. While the middle class bastard with private payor insurance has to go through “conservative treatment” (ie-buy a better bra, get off your fat ass and lose weight, or try enzyte for six months first) before getting coverage. Do you have any idea of how much a hospital or physician writes off? Come have a lumbar fusion. Say you are having an L5-S1 lumbar fusion. It costs approximately $23,000 to have this procedure done. Do you know we would only collect $8000 from a private payor insurance like Anthem and $4000 if it was from Mainecare? You know what happens to the rest of the charges? We write them off. That’s right, money never to be seen again. Do you know that an OB/GYN pays about $10,000 a month in malpractice insurance? How do you think this gets paid? What do you think would happen if you went to Shaws and filled up your grocery cart, got to the checkout and the total was $300, but you only had $25? Do you think they would write it off? Doubt it. Wake up, Brenda.

    And “on the subject”, you’re an asshat. Yeah, I am name calling, but you make no sense to me at all. NONE. Where did this data come from? Your ass?

  60. jarheaddoc said,

    Jesus, MT, you are going to have her in tears on the news.

  61. jarheaddoc said,

    And all I did was state that multiple personality disorder is fictional.

  62. K2 said,

    Still, MT, I know too many people who are stuck with 5- or 6-figure debts from illnesses or accidents. (‘Taxicab Bob,’ here in Lisbon, for instance.) I agree that total universal coverage is problematic (and expensive), but you can’t deny that the health-care system, like education, could be much better if we streamlined all its facets via visionary technology, along with cutting out the blubbery bureucracy (sp? I can never spell that damn word) and strengthening tort reform, the true bane of hospitals and doctors. Cripes, my dad got sued once — and only once, in 35 years of practicing nephrology — in the late ’90s because a stupid-ass patient of his with the gout took too much of the medication my dad had prescribed and warned him about (colchasine — effective but extremely toxic) because the idiot thought “three times as much, three times healthier.” Well, the guy died of its toxicity. Duh. Even though it was the patient’s error, and he was in end-stage gout with full-blown kidney failure, my dad was dragged into litigation by the family, got raped by the local press in the town that he had spent his whole life in, and then, even after he was totally exonerated (no filing here, Weasel), and no civil suit was ever brought, the Binghamton Press made it seem like my dad got away with one. As for my dad practicing medicine, that was the beginning of the end. Between that, HMO’s and malpractice insurance, he finally said fuck it, although I know he misses it, in a melancholoy way.

    But fuck, I’m not bitter. . . .

  63. brenda said,

    An extremely modest man was in the hospital for a series of tests, the last of which had left his bodily systems extremely upset.
    Upon making several false alarm trips to the bathroom, he decided the latest episode was another and stayed put. He suddenly filled his bed with diarrhea and was embarrassed beyond his ability to remain rational.
    In a complete loss of composure he jumped out of bed, gathered up the bed sheets, and threw them out the hospital window.
    A drunk was walking by the hospital when the sheets landed on him.
    He started yelling, cursing, and swinging his arms violently trying to get the unknown things off, and ended up with the soiled sheets in a tangled pile at his feet.
    As the drunk stood there, unsteady on his feet, staring down at the sheets, a hospital security guard, (barely containing his laughter), and who had watched the whole incident, walked up and asked, “What the heck is going on here?”
    The drunk, still staring down replied: “I think I just beat the shit out of a ghost.”
    Happy Halloween

  64. Mainetarr said,

    Happy Halloween

  65. Rachel said,

    I’m lucky, I have a job that pays healthcare, and I have since I was 23. However, for six months between the time I was released from my father’s health insurance policy when I turned 23, and when I got my very own insurance policy from my place of employment, I got into a car accident in a winter storm. Wouldn’t you know it. I refused a ride to the hospital in an ambulance, because I didn’t have insurance. In the spring that same year, I had my first asthma attack and had to be rushed to the hospital by a friend. I waited in the ER waiting room at Maine Med. for over 3 hours, struggling to catch my breath, only to be told by the triage nurse to stop coughing in her face. “What do you have for insurance?” was the first thing they asked me. Three hours in the waiting room, hardly able to breathe, a doctor finally came out to treat me. By that time, the attack had passed. He prescribed an inhaler I couldn’t afford to buy. When I got the bill, they charged me for administering oxygen I never got. I guess I had to pay for the air in the room. I remember that day. There was a young mother with a very sick child. She probably didn’t have health insurance either. We were the last two to get treated that night.

    My ex-fiance, Rocky, who died last September in a car crash, lived with me until almost 4 years ago. Rocky had epilepsy and a severe learning disability, along with many mental health issues that remained hidden until the day of his big seizure. Though he had been on disability since he was a child, due to the siezures, he gave going to work a try. He got a job at Dingley Press during third shift. He walked to work every night because we lived in the trailer park right next to the plant. One night in October, 2001, he never showed for work. After his supervisor called me, I began to search. I figured he had been in the ditch on the side of the road for over 3 hours. I had to have the Lisbon Police look for him with their spot light.

    CMMC’s ER took good care of him. He was on Medicaid at the time. However, this vibrant, joyful young man was never the same after that siezure. He began getting violent toward me. After months of being treated by his primary care physician, he had still not been to a specialist to get a CAT scan, and was still having siezures. They just kept raising his dose of dilantin. Every time they raised his dose, he got more violent, until one night he tried to light me on fire.
    I threatened the primary care doctor that if she didn’t send him to a specialist, and something happened to me, she would be held responsible. It was almost 6 months after the seizure that left him on the side of the road before he saw a specialist. That’s when his symptoms of paranioa and depression started to rear their ugly heads. Westside NeuroRehab dumped him as soon as they found out about trying to light me on fire. He was on a waiting list at Tri-County Mental Health for over two years before anyone would see him. No psychiatrist in the area would take him, because Maine Care just doesn’t pay enough of a reimbursement.

    I am now a teacher. Last year was my first year. My salary stayed the same this year, though my take home pay went down. Why? Because my insurance premium went up. Not only are we lining the pockets of the CEOs at Anthem, but we are also paying for the inequeties of our health care system. For every uninsured person who uses an emergency room, all of the insured get charged extra to cover the costs.

    I think Brenda does know what she is talking about because she has walked many miles in the shoes of someone who is uninsured or underinsured. Until you are in that situation, don’t you dare pass judgement! Our healthcare system is seriously broken. The United States is the ONLY industrialized country in the world that does not have a universal healthcare system. SHAME ON US! Canada’s system is not perfect, but there are many other countries who take care of their sick, elderly and disabled, and they don’t have to bleed out before being cared for. (Remember, I said it was over 3 hours I waited for a doctor to help me with my asthma attack.) What’s the difference? I’m lucky to be alive in more ways than one.

    You go Brenda! Keep speaking your mind.

  66. jarheaddoc said,

    I find it hard to beleive that such an august institution as Maine Medical Center would let someone sit in a waiting room for three hours with an asthma attack. Difficulty breathing is right up there with having chest pain as far as being treated quickly.

    What have you not told us about what happened? Are you prone to panic attacks? Were you suffering from bronchitis at the time and that was causing your wheezing? Did they put that little thing on your finger to measure the oxygen saturation of your blood? Did something more emergent than your situation come in that absolutely had to be treated on the spot? Did anyone listen to your lungs? Was your attitude that of someone who was wild eyed from hypoxemia or that of someone who needed a stat admit to P6?

  67. brenda said,

    who the ay-chee-double-el are you, jarheadoc?

  68. K2 said,

    So . . . how ’bout those Vikings, Bobbie? Ugh. Brady utterly dissected our defense like a frog on a table. And I’m a Brad Johnson fan, but, man, was he terrible. At some point this season, maybe he will actually throw a ball into the end zone or to the first down marker, instead of dumping the ball off short. I like wat Childress has done with the Vikings for the most part, but I don’t think he’s a very good play-caller.

    Again, I’m not bitter. . . .

    MT, just one more thing: What do you have to say about the 45 million (1 in 6) Americans without health insurance? How can America claim to be the gold standard with numbers like that? (Not that I want my next surgery performed in Tangiers or Malaysia, of course.) Especially considering that the number one reason for personal bankruptcy in this country is the result of health-care debt, due to lost wages from being out of work whilst being sick/healing/dying.

  69. jarheaddoc said,

    Brenda, you have to define what context you want an answer in: someone with medical knowledge or someone who picked apart an argument that supported you?

  70. jarheaddoc said,

    Or a combination of the two.

  71. brenda said,

    what medical knowledge do you have? Do you work in a medical feild? If you have all this medical knowledge, what are you doing with it- using it to bully people on a blog? real ethical. Gives me so much confidence & security.

  72. a friend of brenda's said,

    “Just because someone doesn’t have all the facts or has a different
    viewpoint, does not give you the right to be so unkind and rude! There
    will always be times when people in our country will need help, and we
    are glad our taxes go towards that cause. Good morning Rush
    Limbaugh!!!!”

  73. jarheaddoc said,

    What’s unkind and rude about wanting to know the whole story, friend of Brenda? There are three sides to every story: what you say, what the other person says, and what really happened. That’s all I asked.

    And if you consider that bullying, grow a thicker skin. I am in no way, shape, or form denying that Brenda feels she has had a hard life, but at some point she needs to stop acting like a long term victim and become a survivor

  74. K2 said,

    Hey, MT’s a fiesty Eye-Talian, that’s all. She’s entitled to go off, as is anyone in here. I’d be a hypocrite if I got upset with her passion, since I have my own.

  75. K2 said,

    jd, do you play a doctor on TV? Or a hot nurse?

    Regardless, you can change my bed pan and give me a sponge bath anytime. Oooo, right there, no, lower, lower, lower, there, yes, ah. . . .

    “Georgie, I’m hungy.”

    “In a minute, Ma.”

  76. jarheaddoc said,

    Isn’t that from some Stephen King story that was made into a movie? The two bad guys were these weird creatures that needed the energy of a human to live, and the male was the only one who could take that energy, then he had to transfer it to the female?

    Holy shit, a female actually needed and wanted to have intercourse with the guy and he kept putting it off, chasing a female who wouldn’t cooperate.

    Typical man: forget what I can get, I want what I want.

    And no bed pan for you, K2: I have a very nice foley catheter for you.

  77. brenda said,

    I was not playing victim. I was talking about the whole social imbalance, which I am not the one suffering from.

    I realise that when I come to this blog some of you are rude & pick on people.
    WHat I was wondering was what gives Jhd this attitude of medical “authority” & if you do have any such knowledge what are you doing using it to bully on a blog?

  78. K2 said,

    That’s from Seinfeld’s ‘Master of Your Domain’ episode. One of the all-time best 1/2 hours in TV history.

  79. K2 said,

    That ain’t no catheter, it’s a garden hose! Well, my elephant cock can handle it. Nurse, tug my sac as the doctor inserts it.

  80. jarheaddoc said,

    IHow is asking someone to justify a statement bullying someone? Rachel claims she was sat in an ER for three hours with difficulty breathing and I find that hard to beleive. Show me the proof, baby.

    This blog is a forum for people to blow off steam and anyone who takes things personal shouldn’t make them personal to begin with. Your past posts make it pretty clear that you have issues that you find valid and want to discuss.

  81. Trickey Dickey said,

    Brenda, JHD is a glorified ambulance driver, with an elementary knowledge of some emergency life stablizing techniques. Through sheer repetition, he fancies himself a medical expert. However he should abide by strict laws that governor his behaviors, in particular, when certain procedures should be performed. Instead he’s reached the dangereous state where he fancies himself as an assistant doctor instead of what he is. An expert he isn’t, so take whatever he says with a grain of salt.

  82. K2 said,

    Dan, you’ve been missed.

    Yeah, EMT’s have it easy. Sure they do.

  83. jarheaddoc said,

    Yup, that’s right, I am a paramedic, what was once the highest form of scum in pre-hospital emergency care, at least until people started flying and giving blood.

    So what does this do for me, Brenda? Well, it gives me a rather large medical vocabulary. It allows me to work nights and weekends and holidays and miss a lot of time with my family. It lets me meet people I would not seek out in my personal life and help them, even if they don’t need help. It lets me speak kindly to a little old lady who found her husband of seventy years dead in bed and find her dead, also, a month later. It lets me wonder if every shift is going to be my last one. It lets me wonder if the guy who spit and bled on me has either HIV or Hepatitis C. It lets me carry the image of a four year old boy mortally injured in a car wreck that I had to walk by because my concern is the living and his grandmother was still alive. It lets me have to look at people like Dan and politely answer, “I don’t talk about it” when I am asked, “What’s the worst thing you’ve ever seen?” It makes me shake my head at those people because it’s more appropriate to ask, “How many people have you helped?

    All it makes me is a skilled interventionist who still fails mserably at times for any number of reasons, some personal, some professional. It makes me question a lot of things in life because I have seen some bad things happen to people and had to deal with them. It makes me beleive that there is still some good in people because a bystander stood up and took matters into his own hands and disappeared before I could thank said person.

    And it makes me wonder if people like Dan really know what I can do as a paramedic. He’s right about that repetition thing: that’s how I got good at it. I can place a tube in your throat and breathe for you, I can restart your heart under certain circumstances, I can treat an asthma attack and I can wake up an unconscious diabetic with sugar in that person’s vein. I can also cut a hole in your neck to breathe for you if I have to.

    But what does it require me to do? Go out and give every one my A game even on days when Z is the best I can hope to give even myself.

    But what has it done for me? That’s subject to interpretation. It’s given me a much better understanding of psychology and physics and myself. It’s caused me to be highly logical, a creative thinker, coldly objective and logical at times, and terminally subjective and a complete asshole at times.

    So Brenda, that’s where my medical knowledge comes from.

    And Dan, the next time you call 911 because all those chocolate covered cherries and inacitivyt give you an angina attack, just remember one thing: that glorified ambulance driver has been called worse by much better people and that person is there for one reason: he or she chooses to be.

  84. Bobbie said,

    You asked for it, you got it, Brenda. Two examples of emergency room procedures to counter yours and your friends:

    My daughter went to the ER because she had a glass table shatter on her foot. Yes, she was bleeding when she went and yes, she needed stitches to close the wound. She opted to wait because they were going to take her first (because she was bleeding) instead of a child that had broken their arm. My daughter didn’t feel right going first while the child was in pain. The ER personnel didn’t object and treated the child first. And yes, if my daughter had cut half her foot off, the situation would have been different.

    I walked into an emergency room with an allergic reaction to some pesticide that I had unknowingly walked through earlier in the day. I answered a couple of questions and then was taken to a room to be treated because I was having breathing difficulties at the time. Right by the admission desk was a sign stating that anyone suffering from breathing difficulties would be taken care of first due to the nature of the emergency.

    I’m not trying to bully anyone, but for every horror story that you hear about an ER, you also have good ones.

    Trickey Dickey, JD is right. That paramedic is there to answer your call because they WANT to be there, not because they have to be. Where would you be without them? JD does something that I know I wouldn’t be able to do and I applaud him for the choice that he made. I hold paramedics in high esteem because they do a job that most of us wouldn’t wish on our worst enemy. They see ugliness on a daily basis, but still come back, day after day.

  85. Bobbie said,

    K2, that was an awful game for the Vikings last night. No matter who the Vikings threw at the Patriots, I don’t think that they would have had much success. Tough loss.

  86. a movie buff said,

    All of this talk about socialized medicine reminds me of a scene in The Hunt for Red October. Sean Connery is talking about his wife’s treatment and saying that if the floor had been a better quality, she would have survived her disorder. But since his character was a lowly submariner, he was forced to go to the hospital with the cheap flooring and she died because of it.

  87. Trickey Dickey said,

    JHD, while you certainly CHOSE to be an ambulance driver, it sounds like you don’t WANT to be one. Perhaps a career change is in order.

  88. jarheaddoc said,

    Is that the best you can do, suggest a career change? For someone with your keen insight into my soul, Mr. Nixon, you are severely disappointing when it comes to witty reparte.

  89. Trickey Dickey said,

    But, I am not a crook!

  90. jarheaddoc said,

    How about you just get to your point and stop wasting your time?

  91. Martha said,

    I have great admiration for almost anyone in the medical field.
    A couple years ago, while visiting at my sister’s in Maine, I fell at 4:30 am and broke my wrist. Everyone I dealt with, form the former rescue chief who lived next door and came over and splinted my wrist, to the ambulance driver who drove 20 miles through a snow storm to take me to the hospital was nothing but kind. It was such a bad break the paramedics hung around the hospital so they could see my before and after x-rays. It was not my idea of the way I wanted to spend the morning after christmas.

    Just to add my 2 cents worth to the rest of the debate… now that I work and have an insurance plan, even though its relatively good insurance, I invariably wind up with more bills than I ever did when I was a welfare mother. Sorry, Brenda, I disagree with you. Those on welfare, get everything paid with no questions.. its why a good many of them don’t hesitate to run to a dr of emergency room even for the slightest sniffles. I’m not going to argue the point, but I’ve seen it over and over and over.

  92. Martha said,

    JDH, you have my utmost respect for your chosen profession.

  93. happy halloween said,

    I find it very disturbing to realise that if I have an emergency, the paramedic who shows up can be a sadist who finds pleasure in other’sdistress and enjoys intimidating others.

  94. Linda hacking in said,

    WTF!!! Since I’m at a computer course at a software company, I figured I ought to be able to hack my way onto the internet & see what you all are up to. Damn fine work! Such passion! Wish I’d been here, the medical field is mine too, and I’d have definitely had an opinion on who’s right on and who’s got their head up their butt. Also I’ve lived under (and worked for) a publicly funded system so I’d have been in on that too.

    Can’t give it justice two days after the fact and while I’m on a clandestine operation here. But … you guys ROCK!

  95. Dr. PheelbadPhD said,

    This is very disturbing. Just as we have to look out for pedophiles in positions of caring for children, we can be concerned when a person who has shown a pattern of intimidation and sadistic tendencies, chooses an occupation where he will be in direct contact with people at their most vulnerable.
    The Marquis de Sade driving an ambulance? Horrifying!

  96. jarheaddoc said,

    Okay, brenda, you got me, I’m little more than a jackbooted thug looking for my next victim. Pardon me for defending an instituition that is the target of hate and discontent yet keeps chugging away to help people on a daily basis, regardless of how anyone can pay. Pardon me for choosing a profession that shows up and focuses on providing quality patient care despite the multiple layers of beuracracy that go with. pardon me for asking for proof of something I feel is wrong. Pardon me for offending anyone who has ever had any sort of mental health issues.

    Matter of fact, let’s go so far as to pardon my entire existence, as I am simply the sum total of all my life’s experience and pardon me for having to deal with that sad fact on a daily basis.

  97. Bobbie said,

    Nothing personal, Brenda, but JD shouldn’t have to apologize for anything that he’s said concerning his choice of jobs. Just because he has more insight into certain things from his experiences while on the job gives you no right to make him feel like he had to apologize for anything and everything that he’s ever done in his life. You don’t know JD well enough to have made some of the comments that you did about him. Who could be considered the bully now?

    As it has been noted a time or two here, if you don’t want something disected, discussed, commented on or something along those lines, please do not bring it up on the blog. Everyone has something going on in their lives that they are concerned about, but choose not to advertise it on the blog for the very reasons I just mentioned.

    Like I said at the beginning, what I posted is nothing personal towards you. I’ll still send you jokes and ask what’s going on with your life and things like that because as far as I’m concerned, what’s said on the blog stays on the blog and doesn’t spill over into other areas of my life.

  98. brenda said,

    I have no problem with people exprtessing different popinions and I never insult anyone for disagreeing with me.
    I’ve noticed a consistent pattern of jarheadoc using medical terminology to personnally attack bloggers who disagree with him, to undermine their credibility and question their mental stability rather than actually discuss the topic, so I asked what is his feild & position?
    If he does have a position of dealing with people in a medical occupation I think it’s probably unethical and at least questionable for him to use that knowledge to put down, dominate, and insult others, as a form of entertainment, which he seems to get pleasure out of doing. You can’t do a diagnosis over a blog.
    I would crawl to the hospital before dialing 9-1-1 if he’s who would respond.

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