I got your poll…

November 8, 2006 at 1:57 am (Uncategorized)

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I got a note from an old friend today who’s disgusted about the litter and loudness of this years campaign trail. Normally one to shy away from the polls, he was going out this time just to vote against the candidates who annoyed him the most, with recorded telephone calls and garrish signs. Not an informed vote maybe, but at least it inspired the dude to have his say.
Here is a lot of white space. Fill it with your rants about the elections. Did your favorite candidates glide their way into office? Does the shift in the balance of power please you? Are we going to hell in a bucket? If you had to look at one candidate naked, which would you choose?

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84 Comments

  1. K2 said,

    Maybe the Senate too? Ehhhhhhhxxxxcelent.

  2. brenda said,

    Official Ballot from Hell
    by Satan (repost by Leslie) Tuesday, Nov. 07, 2006 at 6:16 PM

    See, it could be worse. –Leslie

    Official Ballot

    GENERAL ELECTION

    November 7, 2006

    for the district of hell

    PRESIDENT

    Vote for One

    GEORGE W. BUSH

    Endless battlefield casualties

    Republican

    1=>o

    Saddam Hussein Abd al-Majidida al-Tikriti

    Genocide

    Baath

    2=> o

    CONGRESSIONAL LEADER (DEM.)

    Vote for One

    NANCY PELOSI

    No, I won’t impeach him

    Democrat

    3=> o

    JANE HARMON

    Can they impeach a Congressmember???

    Democrat

    4=> o

    CONGRESSIONAL LEADER (REP.)

    Vote for One

    TOM TANCREDO

    Deport ’em and bomb Mecca

    Republican

    5=> o

    JAMES SENSENBRENNER

    Make ’em felons and build a wall

    Republican

    6=> o

    MAYOR

    Vote for One

    ANTHONY VILLARAIGOSA

    Sell their Farm

    Democrat

    7=> o

    WILLIAM J. BRATTON

    Shoot their kids

    Refused to state

    8=> o

    DRAFT CANDIDATE FOR 2008

    Vote for One

    JAMES GILCHRIST

    I’m not a racist

    G. Wallace’s Party

    9=> o

    TED HAYES

    I’m not a racist

    Republican

    10=> o

    SCHOOL BOARD

    Vote for One

    JOSEPH TURNER

    No education for their kids

    Republican

    11=> o

    Mark FoleY

    Kid, have I got an education for you

    Republican

    12=> o

    GOVERNATOR

    Vote for One

    ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER

    Immerse yourself and assimilate into the American culture

    Republican

    15=> o

    BILL CLINTON

    Don’t ask, don’t tell

    Democrat

    16=> o

    SPIRITUAL LEADER

    Vote for One

    DICK CHENEY

    The government will have to operate on the dark side

    Republican

    17=> o

    TED HAGGART

    This closet is dark

    New Life

    18=> o

    Sheriff

    Vote for One

    Mike Carona

    Papers, please

    Who Cares

    19=> o

    Lee Baca

    Papers, please

    Who Cares

    20=> o

    FUTURE PRESIDENT

    Vote for One

    HILLARY CLINTON

    I support this war

    Democrat

    21=> o

    JOHN MCCAIN

    I support this torture

  3. brenda said,

    well, ok- that didn’t come thru the copy/paste process so well. I can’t edit it like we could at street talk and if I redo it more clearly, that would be redundant. So deal with it. Point’s made anyway.

  4. Mainetarr said,

    I am disappointed that Baldacchi got re-elected, but I am not going to bitch about it. Mainers get what they vote for, so if they want to continue on the same destructive path, my whining and bitching isn’t going to change that. I would like to see our tax money go towards creating jobs, and stimulating our economy, not towards welfare–time will tell.

    I am anxious to see what changes will happen with Nancy “Let’s have a dictatorship” Pelosi. Man, is she irriatating. Nope, I don’t like the dems, but I would be very pleasantly surprised to see some changes for the better on a few issues. Here’s the chance they so desperately wanted. I hope they do what they campaigned on, not that I heard any solid plans, just a bunch of complaining about the GOP. But if they can make things better, than best of luck. There are a lot of things that need fixing, no question about that. Let’s see what the next 100 days bring.

  5. K2 said,

    Well, MT, this is from uber-liberal Michael Kinsley, and it doesn’t paint a flattering portrait of Pelosi’s ‘tax-credit’ agenda. *gulp*

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/06/AR2006110601121.html

    Fact is, I only sided with the Ds because they’re not as pious as the Right, and aren’t as secretive and hawkish. But other than that, they really are pathetic too, no doubt about it.

    It was refreshing to see Merrill get 20 some percent. If I wasn’t afraid of pulling a Nadar (voting for Merrill, helping Woodcock win), I would’ve voted for her. But Woodcock is just so conservative on all fronts that he scares me. I don’t dislike the man, but his record is not one I approve of, both socially and environmentally. Thus, I felt I had to vote for Baldacci.

    And it’s not like Baldacci has a mandate from the people, either. He didn’t even get 40%. The fact is, he needs to get some conjones, bitch-slap the Legistlature, and get down to addressing the tax issues that most Mainers are very concerned about.

    And it’s up to us to pressure our local politicians to get things done in Augusta. We the people have to do more than just pay taxes and complain.

  6. K2 said,

    And I still can’t load SJ.com. Not once this morning. Fucking junk.

  7. Mandy, the obit writer said,

    At least your elections came to an end. Here in Virginia, it still isn’t over yet because a razor thin margin separates the candidates.

  8. K2 said,

    To think that racist bastard Allen is even in the running. Disgusting.

  9. Mr. Ed said,

    And I suppose, Mandy, the cry-baby Republican is going to want a recount? It figures, they have the courts so Bush will probably see he wins, by hook or by crook.

  10. K2 said,

    Bye-Bye Rumsfailed! Hallelujah!

  11. Mr. Ed said,

    Of course if wasn’t the election results that caused his resignation, it was planned well ahead of time. The President just didn’t have time to talk to his replacement before now. Too busy campaigning?

  12. Mainetarr said,

    Just saw that he resigned. What next?

  13. LaFlamme said,

    I don’t get it. Everybody I talk to hates Baldacci. Where did those votes come from? So much for four years of referring to the governer as Oak Penis.

  14. LaFlamme said,

    Robert Gates, the CIA dude will take over for Rumsfeld. But he can’t talk about it. It’s classified.

  15. LaFlamme said,

    MT just pointed out that our friend David Burke was not voted in. Was everybody drunk last night? Lush bags.

  16. AO said,

    I voted for Dave Burke. I can’t stand Baldacci, either. I wanted to see a woman in the Blaine House.

    Oak Penis..hahahah.

  17. Mr. Ed said,

    Gee, nothing from Gil or Robert or even Richie. They must be licking their own woodcock.

  18. Mainetarr said,

    Well, it’s all over but the crying now. I can’t bellieve Baldacchi got back in. I guess I

  19. K2 said,

    Well, since Rumsfailed’s gone, I’ll have to put a new bumper sticker over my ‘Rumsfailed’ one.

    The early word on Gates is he’s very experienced — and not a complete asshole, like Rummy.

    Now all I ask for is Dick Cheney to die from a massive heart attack and for Bush to choke to death on a pretzel .Then the architechs of the Iraq Blunder will be history, albeit the conflict they started rages on.

  20. Mainetarr said,

    I guess I hit send too soon, that’s what I guess. Geesh…

  21. Mainetarr said,

    K2, you shouldn’t wish for things like that, it may come back to bite you in the ass.

  22. Linda said,

    I’ve been in meetings ALL DAY. are the elections over? who won? 🙂

  23. K2 said,

    Seriously, MT, how? I owe them no respect whatsoever — none.

  24. Mainetarr said,

    Just a weird thing, wishing death on someone. Just wish them to move away or something. I’d hate to see you choke on a pretzel because you were having a heart attack. Call me superstitious, but wishing death is bad.

  25. K2 said,

    You have to believe in superstition to be afraid of it.

    I don’t eat pretzels anyway.

    And don’t you wish bin Laden was dead? Mullah Omar too? I do.

  26. K2 said,

    For the record, I’ve already predicted in this blog many moons ago that my cause of death would be a heart attack. As tightly wound as I am . . . I’m a dead man.

  27. Dave Burke said,

    Thanks AO.

    I suffered my first election loss ever, losing by about 5%, even with the wonderful endorsement of the Screaming Room. Not bad, considering my campaign was barely financed, and I didn’t do much door-to-door. Better luck next year.
    But Auburn did get a new Mayor, and several new Councilors.

    We’ll see if anything changes, or if it will continue to be more of the same.

  28. Mainetarr said,

    I wouldn’t give a shit if Bin Laden were dead or alive, I just wouldn’t wish it on him. Hey, I’m just looking out for you…

  29. Mainetarr said,

    Hey David, if it’s any consolation, you had me and my husbands votes too. Next time, call me and I will volunteer to work for your campaign. I have been doing behind the scenes work for years.

  30. Dave Burke said,

    By the way, I like the vote LaFlamme sign. Perhaps next election season I’ll modify my signs similarly. There seems to be a unhealthy lack of humor and originality in political circles. All the sound bites seem to come down to “I’ll lower taxes”, “I’ll improve government efficiency”, “yada yada yada”. A different approach may play well with the voters.

    Maybe the Screaming Room crowd can be my campaign manager in ’07?

  31. Dave Burke said,

    My favorite t.v. ad of the campaign season had to be the anti-Tabor musical chair ad, where Grandma and her grandaughter are left standing, peering at a Policeman and other worker in their seats.

  32. K2 said,

    David, E for effort, bro.

    I hate to let this idea out of my bag, but check out this campaign slogan I came up with the other day, assuming I were running for something, which am I not, nor would my numerous skeleton’s allow:

    Kris Kucera — Not for Sale

    It’s a keeper, I’m telling you.

    MT, it’s all good. (I never claimed to be mature.)

  33. Mainetarr said,

    How about this slogan for you Kris?

    You show me yours and I’ll show you mine.

    LOL

  34. K2 said,

    Kucera — He’ll take us HIGHER

  35. K2 said,

    Commie Pinko Batards for Kucera.

  36. K2 said,

    Bad spellers for Kucera

  37. K2 said,

    Me Like Kucera Long Time

  38. Richie said,

    No, I had to read down the posts first. Funny how it’s the liberals who are making the rude and snarky comments. I shouldn’t be surprised, thats normal for them.

    The election and re-election of democrats in Maine bodes ill for everyone; small business owner and worker alike. Especially with foolishness like rasing the minimum wage. Anyone attempting to raise a family or do anything beyond living at home with parents, and trying to do that on minimum wage, should be prevented from breeding and reproducing. I started my work life at minimum wage; and quickly realised I wanted more out of life than sitting on my ass drinking beer & scratching flees like a backwoods liberal. ( “I’m poor !! Gimme gimme gimme !” )

    All I can say to K2 is: “You ignorant slut.”
    Matter of fact, I say the same thing to his alter ego Mr. Ed. “You ignorant slut.
    We can tell he’s talking out his ass; since he are one. If these two would go off & chat with their pals at democratic underground; the IQ level in here would triple or quadruple instantly. Oh well, no such luck.

    Baldacci & the dems pissed all over us and told us “it’s raining !”, and sad to say, the majority of the voters believed the lies. A good dose of the FUD factor (“fear / uncertainty / doubt”) worked to kill Tabor; and passed Item Two which makes it harder to introduce citizen initiatives such as Tabor. As a result the Maine economy will only take more of a beating; which starts the inevitable downward spiral. Throw in socialised medicine (“It’s for the chil’ern !”), and things will only get economically worse before they get better. I believe both MT and AO are small-business owners in Maine; I bet they could speak to the economic issues ever so much better than I.

    I love how the dem / libs want to have it both ways with Rumsfeld. Ha ha ! Bush beat ’em again, though. Sure Rumsfeld is leaving; which takes away one of their whipping boys; and he’s leaving on the Presidents’ and his own terms !! Ha ha; foiled you guys yet again !

    While this recent election is depressing & makes me scratch my head in wonder; I only have to think back to living under the Carter presidency; or back when Reagan had to deal with an even-more democrat controlled House and Senate. Sure, this sucks; but I am consoled that this could have been much much worse. The dems have no “plan” to put forward, which fact will quickly be proven in the next few months. Hopefully sometime in the next couple of years Republicans will return to their conservative base ideas and ideals which were such winners back in 1994.

    Finally; here’s a very good website: http://www.ejectejecteject.com/
    Very interesting articles on a number of topics. Guaranteed to make dem / libs very very angry; provides good counters to their foolish arguments.

  39. Bobbie said,

    I’ve been out of the house since early this morning and just walked in to find out that Rumsfield was retiring. I had to shudder when I heard that his replacement had been associated with the CIA (director, or something like that?). I’m sure that we’ll never know the real reason why Rumsfield suddenly “resigned”, but I do have some questions and I would appreciate everyone’s input on them.

    Why the sudden resignation? Why did it have something to do with the fact that the Dems won control?

    If the Dems decide to make heads roll over the debacle in Iraq, will Bush give his buddy a get out of jail free card?

    As I just heard, the current congress is going to push to get Gates appointed before the new congress arrives in town. What has Bush got to fear from the new congress that he doesn’t want anyone else to know about?

    Does it make you wonder what laws are going to be passed before the end of this congressional term? And what affect will it have on an already shredded Constitution? How many more rights/freedoms will we lose because of them?

    More importantly, what will this do to the current situation in Iraq? Iran? North Korea? Anyone that we don’t agree with? With a former CIA guy in control of the Pentagon, does that mean that the troops will now learn new “non-torture” techniques?

  40. K2 said,

    Richie, when you scratch your head, I can only imagine the deafening echo inside your utterly vacuous skull.

    Now that Rumsfailed’s gone, Bush and Cheney have no scapegoat anymore. Same thing happened to Reagen when Don Regan resigned — the attacks became more directed at Dutch, and even more towards Nancy.

    Bush is gonna be impeached by the end of next year anyway. And wait till the D-controlled Congress finds out who was in Cheney’s secret energy meetings, along with what their ‘plan’ was. With the power of subpoena in the new Congress’ hands, Bush and Cheney are in deep, deep trouble.

    Another campaign sign:

    LaFlamme Sucks
    (Paid for by Vampires for LaFlamme.)

  41. K2 said,

    LaFlamme is a Dog!
    (Paid for by Werewolves for LaFlamme.)

  42. Richie said,

    Bobbie; I’ll try and address your questions. Bear in mind this is strictly IMHO, and may or may not be what the President actually plans or planned. (No, K2, he doesn’t check in with me right after giving Rush his talking points.)

    Bobbie: Why the sudden resignation? Why did it have something to do with the fact that the Dems won control?

    My answer: It was probably in the works for a while; but doing it this way allowed the President to put one over on the Dems. All Rumsfeld would have been was a lightning rod; and with more dems in Congress, the lightning would have come faster and harder. This disarms the dems and forces them to move on to other things wether they like it or not.

    Bobbie: If the Dems decide to make heads roll over the debacle in Iraq, will Bush give his buddy a get out of jail free card?

    My answer: Well, first of all, they can’t “make heads roll”. Oh, they can try to stir the pot; they’re going to tie Congress up for at least the next two years, which really isn’t such a bad thing. They’ll display their foolishness in the course of this; which will only make Amercians even more aware of the paucity of their ideas. Remember; the Republicans couldn’t bring down Clinton, even though they were stronger then than the dems are now. No; all we’re going to get is 2 years of circus show.

    Bobbie: As I just heard, the current congress is going to push to get Gates appointed before the new congress arrives in town. What has Bush got to fear from the new congress that he doesn’t want anyone else to know about?

    My answer: You wanna go think about that one for a while ? I think you can figure out the answer on your own. For the rest of you, right now, until the new Congress is seated; Republicans have control. Why SHOULDN’T the President be allowed to have who he wants as his SecDef ? What the President has to fear is an obstrructionist democrat congress doing everything they can to block everything and anything the President might want to do.

    Bobbie: Does it make you wonder what laws are going to be passed before the end of this congressional term?

    My answer: No more than usual. Do you KNOW something (not merely dem/lib paranoia) but know something is going on ?

    Bobbie: And what affect will it have on an already shredded Constitution?
    First of all, the Constitution hasn’t been shredded; although that makes a wonderful “everyone knows” sound bite. And secondly, no effect at all.

    Bobbie: How many more rights/freedoms will we lose because of them?
    My answer: Could you please name the Constitutional rights / freedoms you personally have lost ? I haven’t lost any that I know of; nor has my wife or my kids, or even The Flamer; and I’m pretty attentive to this sort of thing.

    Bobbie: More importantly, what will this do to the current situation in Iraq? Iran? North Korea?
    My answer: Now, THIS is a good, important question. Now, I can’t beging to guess all the ramifications, but I suspect we’ll see our enemies emboldened, and any friends / potential friends considerably subdued. I don’t doubt they expect us to run away yet again; like we did in 1975 (I remember seeing those choppers on the embassy roof. Broke my heart, that did) and again as we did in Lebanon in 1983 I think that was.

    Bobbie: Anyone that we don’t agree with?
    My answer: We’re not allowed to disagree with anyone ? Hmmm.
    I’ve been married over 36 yrs to the same woman. There’s all sorts of stuff I don’t agree with my wife about; but gee, we seem to get along just swell. We learn to cope.

    Bobbie: With a former CIA guy in control of the Pentagon, does that mean that the troops will now learn new “non-torture” techniques?
    My answer: Ouch, snark attack !! Snarkiness ill becomes you. I could care less if a nun, or a Boy Scout, or, who ever, was in charge at the Pentagon. My only question is can he / she get the job done. Thats all that matters.

    And no, I don’t have the slightest problem with doing what ever it takes to accomplish the mission. Period.

  43. Bobbie said,

    For anyone that is interested, check out http://www.infowars.com and look at the “Some Voters Don’t Have a Clue” article. When you click it, it will bring you to the Sun Journal article of the same name.

  44. LaFlamme said,

    I interviewed John Jenkins last night. Love that guy, but as much as he talks, he never SAYS anything. He’s a lot like a football coach that way. “We’ve got to put our best foot forward, hit the ground running, play our A game. There’s no I in TEAM.” And so on.

  45. jarheaddoc said,

    Uh, Richie, as a careeer law enforcement officer, you should know what habeus corpus is. and yes, it’s been suspended, and no, i don’t beleive that it will be reinstated any time soon. maybe congress will get off its ass and do what it’s allowed and supposed to do: control things.

  46. K2 said,

    Who won in Auburn anyway?

  47. Mr. Ed said,

    WE did, K2

  48. K2 said,

    What the fuck does that mean, Dan?

    Seriously, I don’t know which mayoral candidate won.

  49. AO said,

    Jenkins won, K2.

  50. LaFlamme said,

    Yeah, overwhelmingly. Jenkins is very charismatic but seriously. Somebody tell me what the hell he does.

  51. AO said,

    Well, when I was in high school he was one of our substitute teachers. He was great at it! I also think he was involved in martial arts for a while. I think he’s a charismatic charmer these days and, now he’s also the mayor of Auburn.

  52. LaFlamme said,

    I’ll sure miss the Guay brothers. They were entertaining if nothing else.

  53. AO said,

    The Guay brothers. We were talking about them at work today. Losers.

  54. Mr. Ed said,

  55. AO said,

    They still let you on the SJ website, Dan?

  56. Bobbie said,

    Richie,
    Look up the Military Commisions Act 2006. That piece of legislature shreds 9 out 10 articles in The Bill of Rights. After you read that, tell me you haven’t lost any rights and I’ll politely tell you that you’re wrong. You no longer have the protection against illegal search and seizures-the government wants in, they’re going to get in and they no logner need a warrant to do it. The only thing that the government has to do is label you a terrorist/extremist and they can pick you up at will, not allow you to see the evidence that gave you that label and then hold you indefinitely as an enemy combatant. Mention the words “Islam”, “Osama Bin Laden”, “Al Queada(?)”, “terrorist attacks” and a few other key words in a couple of your phone conversations and see how quickly your perfect little world is turned upside down, Richie. Like COL Flagg once said to Charles in M*A*S*H, “I can make you disappear. Five years down the road, Mommy, Daddy and your sister will be sitting there, wondering whatever happened to what’s his name?” (paraphrased to the best of my ability).

  57. Bobbie said,

    AO,
    Dan can get on the SJ site all he wants to since they dropped the registration for the regular articles. Makes you long for the days when they just banished someone, huh?

  58. K2 said,

    Yeah, gosh forbid I don’t see every article.

    Dan, have another donut. The one with the cyanide sprinkles.

  59. Linda said,

    So your new mayor is a charismatic charmer, eh? Nice work if you can get it. So few people are qualified.

  60. K2 said,

    Wait, is this the Omen IV? LaFlamme, can you verify?!? Has Lucifer returned to rule the Gomorrah that is Auburn, Maine, USA? (Lewiston being Sodom, of course. Or is it the other way around? Either way, don’t look back, Lot. Trust me. Ask you wife, that pillar of salt over there.)

  61. Mainetarr said,

    Ok, who crapped in K2’s cornflakes this morning? Whomever it is, you are officially bounced from the Lost Sole Bar and Grill. K2, you’re killing me over here.

    Linda, he’s a good guy. He was a mentor to a lot of folks in the twin cities. AO hit the nail on the head with him. Good guy all around.

    Nadine?? Yoo-hoo? Nadine? Get your ass outta my space and drop by here once in a while, would you?

  62. Linda said,

    “I would not say that the future is necessarily less predictable than the past – I think the past was not predictable when it started.”

  63. jarheaddoc said,

    Post #38 was quite a diatribe, richie. I don’t want the government taking any more of my taxes than I feel necessary, but government is a necessary evil and we all know it.

    I will speak only about TABOR. Just how in the fuck am I supposed to support something that even the proponents endorse ‘with reservations?’ What in the hell does that mean? I like this part, but not that part?

    The Legislature would have gutted that bill and you know it. There were a lot of conflicts with existing statutes and constitutional amendments that would not have survived the court battle.

    Would your view have been different if you were still on the force or would you have said something like ‘Fuck the junior guys, I got seniority?” That’s a union for you, I guess. But wait, aren’t those unions the ones that fought to get you helath care and overtime pay and a 40 hour work week?

    And those same asshats that are screaming about taxes being so high would also have been the first ones to scream about their trash not being picked up every week or the roads taking several days to get plowed. Which way do you want it, richie?

    And just what the hell is wrong with requiring people to have their shit together when these petitions are submitted?

    And having said that, have a good day.

  64. Mr. Ed said,

    How bout cutting all the fucking paramedic postions in the state. There nothing but Wanna-be Doctors who are to lazy to get a degree.

  65. Mainetarr said,

    Better hope you are never in an accident Dan. Speaking of lazy, are your welfare checks still coming in a timely fashion?

  66. LaFlamme said,

    Murder in Lewiston, for those of you who missed it. 65 year old shot on Grove Street. I’ve said too much already.

  67. K2 said,

    We need Mr. Ed shot on Street Talk Lane.

  68. Mainetarr said,

    ha!! Good one K2!

    Goodnight all.

  69. Linda said,

    K2 you are murderous today!

  70. Mr. Ed said,

    Ah, appears LaFlamme is covering for his friends, as usual

  71. LaFlamme said,

    Son kills father. Nasty business.

  72. Richie said,

    B) Bobbie: “Look up the Military Commisions Act 2006.
    R) Richie: I did. And not just the Wiki version either.

    B) That piece of legislature shreds 9 out 10 articles in The Bill of Rights.
    R) Again, I haven’t lost any rights through this, unless by action(s) I become an
    enemy combatant. I’m not an enemy combatant, so, ipso facto, this isn’t going
    to apply to me. Also, remember, non-citizens, by their status of BEING non-citizens
    are not entitled to rights of a US citizen. What this Act does is regularise our
    treatment of enemy combatants that come into our custody. And if a citizen, by his
    actions becomes an enemy combatant, then he or she falls under this too.

    B) After you read that, tell me you haven’t lost any rights and I’ll politely tell you that
    you’re wrong.
    R) Thank you for being polite. I also politely disagree with you. Fortunately enough
    legisltors also agreed; including many dems; and I am happier for it.

    B) You no longer have the protection against illegal search and seizures-the
    government wants in, they’re going to get in and they no logner need a warrant to
    do it.
    R) No, they can’t. I know this to be true.
    Problem here is we can argue back and forth about the glass being half full or
    half empty. Nothing I say will convince you, nothing you say will convince me.
    If you start from a glass half-empty position already, it follows you will arrive at
    certain conclusions and vice versa. I know you won’t believe me, so we’ll just
    politely disagree.

    B) The only thing that the government has to do is label you a terrorist/extremist and
    they can pick you up at will, not allow you to see the evidence that gave you that
    label and then hold you indefinitely as an enemy combatant.
    R) Do you know anyone recently picked up this way ? Any U.S. citizens just snatched
    off the streets of Lewiston or Auburn ? or New York ? or anywhere ? The people
    deemed enemy combatants ARE indeed the enemy !! Now, you can moan and
    have sympathy for them if you want; but . . . well, I just don’t care. Ever hear of a
    guy by the name of Matt Maupin ? Look him up. Tell me more about your
    sympathy for enemy combatants.

    B) Mention the words “Islam”, “Osama Bin Laden”, “Al Queada(?)”, “terrorist attacks”
    and a few other key words in a couple of your phone conversations and see how
    quickly your perfect little world is turned upside down, Richie.
    R) Ha ha ha !! That is sooo foolish. That is NOT how the monitoring system works.
    Wasn’t there a rock song a number of years ago that said something
    like “Paranoia will destroy ya !!” ? That was really funny Bobbie; thank you for
    making me laugh and not take all of this so seriously !

    B). Like COL Flagg once said to Charles in M*A*S*H, “I can make you disappear.
    Five years down the road, Mommy, Daddy and your sister will be sitting there,
    wondering whatever happened to what’s his name?” (paraphrased to the best of
    my ability).
    R) I’m not going to bother arguing with actor scripts or lines from a tv show.
    I wish I had some glib quip or more quotes from rock tiunes to pitch out there,
    which would be equal in value with arguing with actors. I remember that show;
    but just because an anti-war writer puts the lines into the mouth of an actor in an
    anti-war tv show doesn’t make it so. Feeds the old paranoia though.
    You really gotta get a grip on that.

    So, you can interpret the Military Commissions Act any way you like. Many people also interpret the laws pertaining to Income Tax in interesting manners; you know, that “Gold Standard” crap; and all sorts of other foolishness. Unfortunately the Courts didn’t agree with them either and they are for the most part resting peacefully in prison.

  73. Richie said,

    (JarheadDoc) Post #38 was quite a diatribe, richie.
    (Richie) Hmmm; “a bitter, sharply abusive denunciation, attack, or criticism” ?
    Nahhh. A “thunderous verbal attack” ? Ehhh; mebbeso. Hey, this IS the Screaming Room ain’t it ?

    JHD): I don’t want the government taking any more of my taxes than I feel necessary, but government is a necessary evil and we all know it.
    R) I disagree. Gov’t is not a ‘necessary evil’. It’s the people in the gov’t that make it so if it so appears. But it doesn’t have to be that way. It should be and could be better !

    JHD): I will speak only about TABOR. Just how in the fuck am I supposed to support something that even the proponents endorse ‘with reservations?’ What in the hell does that mean? I like this part, but not that part?
    R) I don’t know how the fuck your supposed to do anything ! You can do what the fuck you fucking well want ! (You said “fuck” first; nyahhh !) But, all the supporters I heard didn’t have any reservations about their support of it. I’ll go with Mary Adams, and the Maine Heritage Foundation. They didn’t seem to have any reservations. Good enough for me.

    JHD) The Legislature would have gutted that bill and you know it. There were a lot of conflicts with existing statutes and constitutional amendments that would not have survived the court battle.
    R) No, please don’t tell me what I know and what I don’t know; OK ? You wouldn’t like it if I did that to you, would you ? If there were conflicts then, had Tabor passed, it should have been up to our representatives in the legislature to work this out. If they fail to withstand court scrutiny, then so be it. The important thing is at least we now talk about this stuff instead of just laying on the floor and letting them pick our pockets like they do now !!

    JHD) Would your view have been different if you were still on the force or would you have said something like ‘Fuck the junior guys, I got seniority?” That’s a union for you, I guess. But wait, aren’t those unions the ones that fought to get you helath care and overtime pay and a 40 hour work week?
    R) I can’t argue this if insist on putting words in my mouth. Which unions are we talking about; or is this the rhetorical argument that I’m not supposed to be able to counter ? Are you talking about unions from back in the 1920’s & 30’s ? Why do I owe them anything ? If I owe them anything, is it a debt that is incurred forever; and by my kids and grandkids etc ? At what point can I be free of unions ? Do you know why Police have Unions ? It certainly isn’t for “health care” or “40 hour weeks” ! BTW, I still work for the Police Department. Stop by and visit me; and I’ll give you a tour.

    JHD) And those same asshats that are screaming about taxes being so high would also have been the first ones to scream about their trash not being picked up every week or the roads taking several days to get plowed. Which way do you want it, richie?
    R) You posed the strawman question and then proceed to knock it down with an answer; and then try to lock me into a simplistic position. It isn’t that simple and you know it !! If those were the only two things that taxes paid for, I would then scream about having it done efficiently and getting the most for my money ! But our taxes go for way so much more; like the $900.000 landscape job in Augusta. You know the old joke about the 5-man P.W. crew working on the street; the 4 guys leaning on shovels while a 5th guy digs in the hole. Wouldn’t you prefer your taxes were spent better than that ? Or perhaps you favor restrictive union work rul\es ?

    JHD) And just what the hell is wrong with requiring people to have their shit together when these petitions are submitted?
    R) If that’s all it was about, that’d be cool. But again, thats NOT what its all about, there was a bit more in there too; which made it much more difficult to bring forward a citizen petition.

    JHD) And having said that, have a good day.
    R) And having replied, I now go to my rest.

  74. LaFlamme said,

    Hmmmm. Col. Flagg also said: “Nobody leaves until I do. And I never leave.”
    It means nothing in relation with the above arguments, but I did like that Flagg character.

  75. Bobbie said,

    Richie,
    I’m GLAD that I don’t live in your fantasy world, just as I’m GLAD that you don’t live in my world.

  76. jarheaddoc said,

    I can find common threads in what you wrote back, Richie. I should not have tried to put words in your mouth. I apologize.

    The system is broke and it needs to be fixed. I would like to see something original, from a Maine group, that is not taken from a different state, that is not funded by outside interests, and let the people of Maine vote on that. People from New Jersey should not be trying to ban bear trapping in Maine.

    We are both going to use whomever and whatever we want for a source and use that information to argue our points as broadly or as narrowly as we choose to prove our points.

    More citizens should be involved in our government system. Isn’t that the way the system was designed to work? However, how many times do you allow a certain group of people to bring forth a question if other voters keep turning it down? I use the gay rights legislation that Augusta passed: the voters turned it down twice before Augusta passed that bill. I am not aruging against equal rights when I say this, but hadn’t the people spoken? What happened to majority rule?

    ” The important thing is at least we now talk about this stuff instead of just laying on the floor and letting them pick our pockets like they do now !!”

    I can only hope that all sides do keep talking about it. Maybe alll sides can find common ground and actually do something for a change.

  77. K2 said,

    Col. Flagg is one of the best comic inventions in TV comedy history. Every MASH episode he’s in is classic.

  78. Mr. Ed said,

    LaFlamme, you’re the pits. WHY didn’t you tell us last night that it was Jerry that got killed?

  79. Richie said,

    JHD:

    Listening to WLOB this morning, that was part of the general discussion; what you said about both sides continuing to talk about this. Unfortunately, I don’t believe that they will; because there really is no pressure to bring to bear on either the legislature or the Governor. Both the dems and the Gov will see this vote as being a mandate for “more of the same” and “continue as before”; and rightfully so. I don’t know exactly what it’s going to take to wake people up.

    Interesting you bring up the so-called “gay rights” issue. You are exactly right, except I believe it was three times it was brought up and voted down (eh, maybe I’m wrong; but I think it was three times). Notice it took ‘Rule by Fiat’ to make it happen. Like so many social issues in this country the only way liberals can get their way is by getting it through the Courts, or in this case through Gubernatorial order. Same thing with the mandatory Union membership rule. The sad part was that once the Gov made his executive order; none of the angry populace rose up to fight against this. Like good sheep, everyone just laid there and took it. Everyone knows this was political payback of the first water; but no one gives a shit.

    I would politely argue that it isn’t necessarily the system that’s broken. Rather it is the people we place in power over us within this system. Until enough people get angry with what is going on, nothing will change. If anything, this past election shows the system works very well; IMHO. The people got what they wanted. Obviously the people in this state accepted the liberal lie of free pie in the sky in the great by and by, and showed it by voting for it. We claim to object to high taxes; but enough people (including those who pay no taxes at all) don’t object; so we now have an large mandate for more of the same.

    The Screaming room is merely one small venue for us to keep talking about issues such as these.

  80. Montel said,

    Richie, your ‘Rule by Fiat’ is nothing but bullshit. The gay right law was passed by the legislature and signed by the Governor then voted on by the people. There is no governor executive decision making, ala Bush’s secret wiretaps.

  81. LaFlamme said,

    Man, I can’t scoop my own paper. Okay, maybe I can.

  82. Linda said,

    They should pay YOU to park in their lot, Mark.

  83. jarheaddoc said,

    You should check your civics book, Montel. Once the legislature has ironed out a bill to get rid of things that conflict with current Maine law and it goes to the governor and he puts his JB on it, it’s done, it’s law.

    A people’s initiative needs a certain number of signatures before it can be sent to the legislature, and that august body decides whether to act on it or let the peoploe have a say.

    The legislature is not going to decide many of those issues strictly for political reasons: it came from the populace, let the voters decide.

    One of the things about being either the governor or the president is that pet projects will go through the legislative process to be acted upon. And JB is not different in this regard. It’s his perogative and even his right and responsibility

    I can’t recall if he was the architect of the gay rights legilsation that was passed or not, but that’s not my point: the voters twice rejected the law, but our elected officials chose to listen to a few vocal people many would consider special interest and acted in their behalf.

  84. Jim Jackson said,

    Google is the best search engine

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